Traditional Jesus

The definition of "Traditional Jesus" is referring to the Jesus of Biblical history. The Synoptic Gospels are a group of writings that give an account of the traditional Jesus. Some like to refer to this as the "Historical Jesus."
The gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke focus mainly on the parables, miracles, discourses, and the passion, along with many other historical events surrounding Jesus. The gospel of John focuses more on the person of Jesus. Jesus' relationships with individuals is also stressed in John more than His general contact with the public. The rest of the new testament focuses on traditional Christians and the teachings of how a Christian should live, by faith, through the traditional Jesus. (New Testament Survey pg. 131)
Mormonism itself states that they believe in a different Jesus. Bruce R. McConkie, a past apostle, states that "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit." (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 269)
The statement from McConkie is further confirmed by their modern-day prophet while speaking to a group of Mormons in France. "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ. 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times.'" (June 20, 1998)

The Dispensation of the Fullness of Times
Christianity: A world order or administration in which the heavens and the earth are under the political and/or spiritual government of Jesus.
Mormonism: The era after which the Church of Christ is thought to have been restored to the earth by the religious founder Joseph Smith, Jr beginning in the 1820's. In this sense, the "dispensation" refers to the administration of truth and/or priesthood by the church and its leaders, guided by revelation.

The prophet Joseph Smith wrote, "Those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fullness of times" (D&C 128:18)

David W. Patten, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said in 1838: "The dispensation of the fullness of times is made up of all the dispensations that ever have been since the world began, until this time.... All [the prophets] received in their time a dispensation by revelation from God, to accomplish the great scheme of restoration,... the end of which is the dispensation of the fullness of times, in which all [the] things shall be fulfilled that have been spoken of since the earth was made." (HC 3:51) (

"Mormonism teaches that there are several problems with the Bible. First, many of its books are missing, so it is only an incomplete compilation at best. Second, we are told that many plain and precious things were taken away from the Bible by that "great and abominable church," as recorded in 1Nephi 13:25-28 in the Book of Mormon. The very document requiring biblical testing discredits its only credible witness!
The final severance from biblical accountability is the continued LDS teaching that what was left of the scriptures has been so often and badly translated that our Bible is of almost no "stand alone" value. Apostle Orson Pratt summed up the LDS position when he stated, "... and who, in his right mind could for one moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution, so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original?" (Orson Pratt, The Bible Alone An Insufficient Guide, Early LDS Pamphlet, pages 44-47.)
Joseph Smith taught, "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Joseph F. Smith, The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1938, page 327)" (

The traditional Jesus is the "only" Jesus that is taught in all Christian religions. The traditional Jesus is clearly not the Jesus that the Mormons believe. All Mormons who think that they worship the same Jesus need to take a deeper look into their core beliefs. The Mormons do not have the same blessings that comes from believing in Him, the real Jesus. I pray that the light will be shown to those who yearn to know the true Jesus.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16 THE BIBLE, NIV)


rick b November 8, 2007 at 2:56 PM  

the LDS really need to think, are these verses correct? if so and I have a false jesus will these verse apply to me? The answer is YES.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

And as far as this verse goes
1Cr 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

If you do not have the real Jesus but are following a false jesus, then you do not love Jesus and will be damned. Rick b

Godhead November 14, 2010 at 4:53 PM  

You wrote... "Apostle Orson Pratt summed up the LDS position when he stated, "... and who, in his right mind could for one moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution, so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original?"

That statement is rife with ignorance and could only work on the ignorant. It is solely of his opinion. There is much in the way of historical facts that testify to the validity of the Modern Bible. The Dead Sea scrolls. The writings of the Apostolic fathers. The surviving NT manuscripts some of which are from the second century. The fact is that all concerned have gone to great and meticulous lengths to preserve the books of the Bible and no evidence whatsoever to suggest otherwise. All of the other gospels and letters that were not contained in the NT, have all the hallmarks of gnosticism, which was a cult that broke away from Christianity much later and was not ever part of the original Church. Their writings came later as well. Muslims say the same thing. When you introduce a new book you have to discredited the Bible to get people to believe it. People want to believe that the Bible is not true, they want to believe that, so the battle to get them to believe that is already half won.

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Handmaidens Creed

1.I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as one God without beginning or end.
2.I believe the Bible to be the Holy Inspired word of God with full truth and righteousness. No other writing is.
3.I believe that the work of the Lord comes first. Before any temporal thing or person.
4.I believe that grace is a gift and Christ gives that gift freely to all who believe.
5.I believe that the beauty of a woman is contained inside of her and not by what she looks like on the outside.
6.I believe that marriage is sacred and represents the Godhead on earth; two are one just as three are one.
7.I believe that love is more powerful than any other power. Remember, God is love.
8.I believe that tithing is not a part of God's new covenant, free will offerings are. And that doesn't mean just money.
9.I believe that the Aaronic, Levitical, and Melchizedek priesthoods are abolished and Christs Holy Priesthood whom Christ is the "Great High Priest" is eternal.
10.I believe that every believer is a priest in the "Priesthood of Believers".
11.I believe that when two are one, nobody is to separate the one.
12.I believe that Christ is the only way to heaven.
13.I believe that our bodies are temples, not man made buildings.
14.I believe that liars make fools out of others and the liar hates the fool.
15.I believe that all believers are in authority to preach the gospel.
16.I believe that the word 'organization' to describe Christs body is evil and has no place with God.
17.I believe the Americas are not the land of Zion and Christ will return to His origonal land-Israel in the Middle East.
18.I believe that God has set out correct ways of worshiping Him, not man.
19.I believe in holding to the truths of the Bible and not mans understanding of it.
20.I believe that the world is full of evil and Satan can easily gain control over the minds of those who do not profess Christ of the Bible to be their only Messiah.
21.I believe that Saints are those who know the real Savior, Jesus Christ, of whom the Bible speaks of; not the jesus of a cult.