Water is not Wine

At the Passover in the time of Christ, the sacrificial portions of the lambs were presented to the alter. The remaining portions were taken to the houses where no fewer than 10 men and no more than 20 ate one animal. Bitter herbs, unleavened cakes dipped in sweet sauce were also eaten; and four cups of red wine were drunk. After the 1st cup of wine was blessed and passed around to all present and the Hallel (Ps. 113, 114) was sung, the 2nd cup of wine was drunk and the meal eaten. Then came a prayer of thanksgiving. The 3rd cup of wine was blessed; and during the passing of the 4th cup of wine Ps. 115-118 were sung. "In this historic passover Jesus became the bridge by which this solemn feast of his people progressed into the institution of the Lord's Supper and the establishment of the Christian Communion..." "In Paul's theology Christ became our Passover, sacrificed for us. (1Cor. 5:7) He compares the "old leaven" to malice and wickedness, and urges Christians to keep the feast "with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." (Harper's Bible Dictionary, Harper & Brothers Publishers, 1961, pg 528)
It was during this event that Jesus used bread as a symbol of his own body. He broke the bread and gave each of his Disciples to "Take and eat; this is my body." (Matt. 26:26). After which Jesus took the fourth cup of red wine during the Passover meal, "Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matt. 26:27-29)
"World-wide observance of the service of Christian Communion, which developed from the Lord's Supper, brings all men into the range of inclusion in the living Christ, the body of the living Lord being the mystical body of the Church, where "we, being many, are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." (1 Cor. 10:17) The Communion service is the cornerstone of the ecumenical (meaning, Christian Churches as a whole) Church." (Harper's Bible Dictionary, Harper & Brothers, Publishers, 1961, pg. 400, parenthesis added)
In my studies I have not found a specific time frame or day that communion is to be observed. I know within the Catholic Church it is practiced often. Their belief in the communion is based on transubstantiation. That is not my focus. The points I'm concerned with are the ways the LDS practices the communion. Those points are as follows:
1. Water is used, not red wine
2. One cannot change something Christ Himself used in the Lord's Supper
3. No power can change Christ's words
4. Communion, or Sacrament, is not a requirement for salvation

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints uses water instead of wine. Joseph Smith himself was the first person to commence the use of water during communion, or sacrament. The practice of using wine continued for many years in the LDS church, however, the grapes must be raised and cultivated by only the LDS. The practice was completely stopped in the early 1900's when the authorities of the Church decided to put more emphasis on the "Word of Wisdom," plus there were concerns over young men handling the wine before, during, and after the meetings. See D&C 89:6, and D&C 27:4.

Jesus Christ took the wine and gave it to his Disciples to drink. He said to drink all of it. Even the Jesus Christ of the Book of Mormon instructed those to drink wine: 3 Nephi 18:1-3, 3 Nephi 18:8-9, 3 Nephi 20:5-9, Moroni 5:1-2, Moroni 6:6. The Doctrine and Covenants tell the LDS to use wine: D&C 20:40, D&C 20:75, D&C 89:5-6.

The Mormons believe that through the power of the priesthood, God speaks directly to those in authority over their Church. This belief gives an open gate for that 'authority' to change any part of any of their beliefs or any scripture. The wine in communion was not left out. Joseph Smith says that he had a revelation from God, through an angel, to use water.(He let the fear of his enemy get the best of him!) Then, later on, Joseph Smith got another revelation stating that wine is bad. See D&C 27:2-5, D&C 89:5-7. The prophet even goes as far as to say that it doesn't matter what is used for the sacrament, see D&C 27:2. To the LDS, it was the blessing of the "Priesthood" that makes the water, or items special; not the water or items themselves. So..., if the LDS gives the red wine a "priesthood blessing", it will be special, thus their "Word of Wisdom" will not be compromised.

For the Mormons, the partaking of the sacrament, during the sacrament meeting, is the most holy and sacred act that members are commanded to participate in. If one eats and drinks without being sin free for that week, that person isn't supposed to eat or drink of the sacrament. If they do, the destroying angel will slay them (D&C 89:21), and they will also cause damnation to their soul (3 Nephi 18:28-29). In the Wikipedia, on the web, the sacrament is stated to be "a plea for forgiveness of sins." The LDS doctrine clearly states the opposite.

The practice of Christian Communion is not an ordinance or a commandment, it is the celebration of the Lords Supper which is to lead the faithful to; (1) to remember his personal redemption by the blood of Jesus, (2) to remain grateful for his salvation, (3) and to keep alert for the ultimate coming of universal redemption (Harpers Bible Dictionary, pg 400). The taking of the bread is to represent His flesh, and the wine His blood, for the special purpose of "signifying" that the Christian is living in Christ.


Now here is an interesting twist on the definition of Christianity-----"See CHRIST,CHRISTIANS, DISPENSATIONS. Christianity is the religion of the Christians. Hence, true and acceptable Christianity is found among the saints [Mormons] who have the fullness of the gospel [Mormonism], and a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom. In these circles it is believed and taught that Christianity had its beginning with the mortal ministry of our Lord. Actually, of course, Adam was the first Christian, for both he and the Christian, for both he and the saints [Mormons] of all ages have rejoiced in the very doctrines of salvation [Mormon Doctrine] restored to earth by our Lord in his ministry." (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R McConkie, by Bookcraft, 1979, pg 132, brackets added and highlights added)
The take on Christianity by the Mormons is very negative and demeaning. No matter how hard the Mormons try to convince the Christian world, that they are trying to be a part of, that they are Christians; the Mormons still believe that they are the ONLY TRUE Christians on the face of the earth!!!!

Baptism for the Dead and other Ordinances

"The gospel proclaimed to the world by the Latter-day Saints is the gospel of Jesus Christ as restored to the earth in this dispensation and is for the redemption of all mankind. The Lord himself has revealed what is essential for the salvation and exaltation of his children. One of these essentials is that temples are to be erected for the performance of ordinances that cannot be performed in any other place.
When this is explained to people from all over the world who come and look at our temples, the question these people most frequently ask is, what are the ordinances that are performed on temples?
In response, we often first explain the ordinance known as baptism for the dead. We note that many Christians believe that at the time of death, our status before the Lord is determined for all eternity, for did not Christ say to Nicodemus, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5)? "Born of the water" is a symbol, or sign, of regeneration. It does not mean that baptism is necessary for salvation. Rather, baptism is the outward sign of an inward work of grace. The outward sign does not produce the inward grace.Yet we know that many people have died without the ordinance of baptism, and thus, according to Christ's statement to Nicodemus, they would be eliminated from entering into the kingdom of God. This raises the question, is God just?
The answer is, of course God is just. It is evident that the Savior's statement to Nicodemus presupposes that baptisms may be done for those who have died who have not been baptized. Latter-day prophets have told us that baptism is an earthly ordinance that can be performed only by the living. How then can those who are dead be baptized if only the living can perform the ordinance? That was the theme of the Apostle Paul's writing to the Corinthians when he asked this question:
'Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?' (Cor. 15:29) Footnote: those...who are baptized for the dead. The present tense suggests that at Cornith, people were currently being baptized for the dead. But because Paul does not give any more information about the practice, many attempts have been made to interpret the concept. Three of these: 1. Living believers were being baptized, so that they too, in a sense, would not miss out on baptism. 2. Christians were being baptized in anticipation of the resurrection of the dead. 3. New converts were being baptized to fill the ranks of Christians who had died. At any rate, Paul mentions this custom almost in passing, using it in his arguments substantiating the resurrection of the dead, but without necessarily approving the practice. Probably the passage will always remain obscure. (NIV Study Bible, footnote)
'In fact, as we study ecclesiastical history, we find that baptism for the dead was practiced by the early Christians. There was vicarious work for the dead at that time, and there is today. Indeed, vicarious work is not something new or strange to us. We remember that the Savior himself in a vicarious manner atoned for the sins of all mankind. Today, baptisms are again performed by the living in behalf of individuals who have died, as is also the laying on of hands for the bestowal of the gift of the Holy Ghost for these same deceased people. These ordinances for the deceased, however, are performed only in the house of the Lord.
The endowment is another ordinance performed in our temples. It consists of two parts: first, a series of instructions, and second, promises or covenants that the person receiving the endowment makes-promises to live righteously and comply with the requirements of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The endowment is an ordinance for the great blessing of the Saints-both living and dead. Thus it is also an ordinance performed by the living in behalf of deceased individuals; it is performed for those for whom baptismal work has already been performed.
Another temple ordinance is that of celestial marriage, where wife is sealed to husband and husband sealed to wife for eternity. We know, of course, that civil marriages end at death; but eternal marriages performed in the temple may exist forever. Children born to a husband and wife after an eternal marriage are automatically sealed to their parents for eternity. If children are born before the wife is sealed to her husband, there is a temple sealing ordinance that can seal these children to their parents for eternity, and so it is that children can be sealed vicariously to parents who have passed away.
In the ordinances of the temple, the foundations of the eternal family are sealed in place. The Church has the responsibility-and the authority-to preserve and protect the family as the foundation of society.
All of these priesthood temple ordinances are essential for the salvation and exaltation of our Father in Heaven's children. Therefore, it is of great interest that within the last two decades, three revelations relating to these matters have been added to the Doctrine and Covenants. We rejoiced when the revelation concerning the bestowal of the priesthood upon all worthy males was announced in 1978 by the first presidency. That announcement is Official Declaration-2 in the Doctrine and Covenants. Also, two other sections were added in the 1970's to the Doctrine and Covenants: sections 137 and 138. It is most significant that both these revelations pertain specifically to the work for the redemption of the dead.
Section 137 records a vision given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Kirtland Temple. In that vision, he saw his brother Alvin, who had departed this life, and his parents. The voice of the Lord came to him and said that "all who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God" (D&C 137:7)
Section 138 records a divine manifestation given to President Joseph F. Smith that also pertains to the work of redemption of the dead. President Smith had been pondering our Lord's visit to the spirit world as he read the First Epistle of Peter and reflected upon the verse that states, "For this cause was a the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit" (1 Pet. 4:6) Footnote: For this reason. The reason referred to is expressed in the latter part of the verse (in the "so that" clause), not in the preceding verse was preached even to those who are now dead. This was a past event. The word "now" does not occur in the Greek, but it is necessary to make it clear that the preaching was done not after these people had died, but while they were still alive. (There will be no opportunity for people to be saved after death; see Heb. 9:27.) (NIV Study Bible footnote)
'A vision then unfolded to President Smith. That vision is recorded in section 138. President Smith saw that "the Lord went not if person among the wicked and the disobedient who had rejected the truth, to teach them;
'But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead' (D&C 138:29-30) "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the spirit, through whom also he went and preached in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all were saved through water,...." (1 Peter 3:18-20) The proclamation of Jesus was about His death and resurrection. It announced the victory over the evil one and everything is subject to Him. This passage of scripture has been torn apart by many research ministries, apologitics, and scholors. The footnotes in the NIV Study Bible, the Adam Clark's Commentary, and many others seem to have a slightly different interpratation. The Mormons have a take on it as well. I believe that the whole text of the Bible needs to be taken into consideration as well as Peter's background and to whom he was addressing, as well as the understanding of those people. Keep in mind that Peter was dealing with the sufferings that the Christian's had to go through at that time and this scripture points to Jesus Christ, through Him there is victory and that the enemy is defeated. The Mormon take on this is as follows: "And as I wondered, my eyes were opened, and my understanding quickened, and I perceived that the Lord went not in person among the wicked and the disobedient who had rejected the truth, to teach them; But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority [the priesthood], and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel [Mormonism] to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel [Mormonism] preached to the dead." (D&C 138:29-30, brackets added)
'Surely we on this side of the veil have a great work to do. For in light of all the above-noted facts about temple ordinances, we can see that the building of temples has deep significance for ourselves and mankind, and our responsibilities become clear. We must accomplish the priesthood temple ordinance work necessary for our own exaltation; then we must do the necessary work for those who did not have the opportunity to accept the gospel in life. Doing work for others is accomplished in two steps: first, by family history research to ascertain our progenitors; and second, by performing the temple ordinances to give them the same opportunities afforded to the living.
Furthermore, the dead are anxiously waiting for the Latter-day Saints to search out their names and then go into the temples to officiate in their behalf, that they may be liberated from their prison house in the spirit world. All of us should find joy in this magnificent labor of love.
What a glorious thing it is for us to have the privilege of going to the temple for our own blessings. Then after going to the temple for our own blessings, what a glorious privilege to do the work for those who have gone on before us. This aspect of temple work is an unselfish work. Yet whenever we do temple work for other people, there is a blessing that comes back to us. Thus it should be no surprise to us that the Lord does desire that his people be a temple-motivated people. I repeat what I have said before: It would please the Lord for every adult member to be worthy of-and to carry-a current temple recommend, even if proximity to a temple does not allow immediate or frequent use of it. The things that we must do and not do to be worthy of a temple recommend are the very things that ensure we will be happy as individuals and as families." (First Presidency Message, A Temple-Motivated People, by President Howard W. Hunter, Ensign, Feb. 1995)
"The believers of Corinth were practicing many things that the Apostle Paul needed to correct. There were many problems within the church at Corinth. There were divisions and erroneous practices, sexual immorality, litigation in pagan courts, abuse of the Lord's Supper, false teaching concerning the resurrection and Paul needed to give instructions concerning the offering for poverty-stricken believers in Jerusalem. Corinth was a rich port town of that day and the endless pagan practices and beliefs were spilling into the Christian church during that time. It required Paul to write not one letter to the church there, but two. Every man must have two births: one from heaven, the other from earth-one of his body, the other of his soul. Without the first he cannot see nor enjoy this world; without the last he cannot see nor enjoy the kingdom of God. As there is an absolute necessity that a child should be born into the world, that he may see its light, contemplate its glories, and enjoy its good, so there is an absolute necessity that the soul should be brought out of its state of darkness and sin, through the light and power of the grace of Christ, that it may be able to see, or to "discern," the glories and excellences of the kingdom of Christ here, and be prepared for the enjoyment of the kingdom of glory in the hereafter... The new birth which is here spoken of comprehends not only what is termed justification or pardon but also sanctification or holiness. Sin must be pardoned and the impurity of the heart washed away before any soul can possibly enter into the kingdom of God." (Adam Clark's Commentary, Baker Book House, 1967, pg 903-904)
"When a person is saved, he is inwardly washed and cleansed by the word of God, and made alive spiritually by the Holy Spirit. All of this happens on the inside of every believer, not on the outside, so therefore John 3:5 has no reference to water baptism. (Answers to Your Bible Questions, Charles Halff, The Christian Jew Foundation. 1972, pg28)
The flood symbolizes baptism, and baptism symbolizes salvation. The act of baptism is an outward commitment on the part of the believer. Baptism is an outward symbol of an inward work in the heart and mind of the believer. It is in no way an ordinance or requirement in order to go to heaven. People are saved not by any ritual, but by the supernatural power of the resurrection which is done while the believer is still alive, not after death. Mormons construe the unclear parts of the scriptures to conform them to their own agenda.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1Cor. 2:14 KJV)

The Rich Man and Lazarus

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thense." Luke 16:26
This passage of scripture is part of the story that Jesus told during His ministry in and around Perea. The moral of the parable about the rich man and Lazarus is directed toward this thought: "If a person's mind is closed and Scripture is rejected, no evidence---not even a resurrection---will change him." (The NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition, Zondervan Publishing House, pg 1571, footnote)
There is a great divide between heaven and hell. No one will be able to cross its vastness after death. To the Mormons, however, one of their prophets had added to this scripture and had changed its intended meaning to suit the LDS church's own purpose. The Mormon church is using this part of scripture for baptism and temple work for the dead. (I will explain baptism and temple work for the dead in my next post.)
"President Joseph Fielding Smith, tenth President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, discussed this passage of scripture as follows: Before the crucifixion of the Lord [this is not in the scripture above] there was a great gulf fixed, separating the righteous dead from those who had not received the Gospel [this is not correct either], and across this gulf no man could pass. (Luke 16:26) Christ bridged that gulf and made it possible for the word of salvation to be taken to all corners of the kingdom of darkness. In this way the realms of hell were invaded and the dead prepared for the ordinances of the Gospel which must be performed on earth since they pertain to the mortal probation. (The Way to Perfection, Salt Lake City, Utah: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1949, p.165)" (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, Legrand Richards, Deseret Book Company, pg 179) Brackets added.
The voice of our Lord has been corrected by a so-called prophet who claims to be the very mouth piece of God. The gospel of Luke is full of the words of our Savior. Jesus Christ, who is God, does not need correction by mere mortal man.
Remember: If anyone who does not believe in the truthfulness of the scriptures and rejects them, not even the resurrection of our Savior will be able to help after that person is dead.
**Please read the whole parable that Jesus spoke of in Luke 16:19-31. This will give you the full meaning of what Jesus was saying.

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I spent a lot of time deciding if I should write this blog or not. I'm not a great writer and I'm not going to pretend to be. I need to share what I have learned and I might not make some people happy with what I am saying. This blog is a way for me to release the thoughts and feelings that come with knowing I grew up in the wrong religion. A healing process if you will.

How To Read This Blog

Please start with the month of February 2007 and read backwards. This is the most effective way to understand, in order, why I say what I do.

Handmaidens Creed

1.I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as one God without beginning or end.
2.I believe the Bible to be the Holy Inspired word of God with full truth and righteousness. No other writing is.
3.I believe that the work of the Lord comes first. Before any temporal thing or person.
4.I believe that grace is a gift and Christ gives that gift freely to all who believe.
5.I believe that the beauty of a woman is contained inside of her and not by what she looks like on the outside.
6.I believe that marriage is sacred and represents the Godhead on earth; two are one just as three are one.
7.I believe that love is more powerful than any other power. Remember, God is love.
8.I believe that tithing is not a part of God's new covenant, free will offerings are. And that doesn't mean just money.
9.I believe that the Aaronic, Levitical, and Melchizedek priesthoods are abolished and Christs Holy Priesthood whom Christ is the "Great High Priest" is eternal.
10.I believe that every believer is a priest in the "Priesthood of Believers".
11.I believe that when two are one, nobody is to separate the one.
12.I believe that Christ is the only way to heaven.
13.I believe that our bodies are temples, not man made buildings.
14.I believe that liars make fools out of others and the liar hates the fool.
15.I believe that all believers are in authority to preach the gospel.
16.I believe that the word 'organization' to describe Christs body is evil and has no place with God.
17.I believe the Americas are not the land of Zion and Christ will return to His origonal land-Israel in the Middle East.
18.I believe that God has set out correct ways of worshiping Him, not man.
19.I believe in holding to the truths of the Bible and not mans understanding of it.
20.I believe that the world is full of evil and Satan can easily gain control over the minds of those who do not profess Christ of the Bible to be their only Messiah.
21.I believe that Saints are those who know the real Savior, Jesus Christ, of whom the Bible speaks of; not the jesus of a cult.