The Bible and The Book of Mormon - A Response

This post is a response to a comment left under the heading: "The Bible and The Book of Mormon - A Genealogy" contained within my blog. The statement goes as such:
"You stated that You believe the bible to be the Holy Inspired word of god with full truth and Righteousness, and yet Everyone knows that King James hired his scribes to rewrite the bible so that all the members of his kingdom can read it. When they rewrote it, they left out parts that makes the bible contradict itself. Do you not think God would know that this would happened to his book and set up a second witness to the teachings of Jesus Christ?"

First of all, thank you for the comment.

Second, the answer to your question.
That's right, I did say "Inspired" Word of God. The King James Version is just that-a version.
No, I do not think God had any intention to have more writings to be a witness to Jesus Christ. A second witness to the Christ is not necessary, due to the fact that all of the necessary witnesses to the Lord and Savior are in their fullness contained within the context of the Bible.
The Book of Mormon is a grave attempt to deceive people into thinking that God failed in the first book, therefore, a second book must come forward. Joseph Smith was a dreamer and a plagiarist. How so many people can be deceived by such a man shows that a lot of humans do not really want to know God.
God is spirit, life is spiritual, and the understanding of His Holy Word, the Bible, can only be known through the spiritual mind.

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14, NIV)

Besides, the Book of Mormon was supposed to have been written before King James' time. Like, 600 years before Christ! The Book of Mormon has undergone over 3,000 changes since Joseph Smith wrote it. The last revision was but just a year or so ago.
Here are a couple of questions for you; Why would the Book of Mormon be written in the style of King James if the language of the BOM was Reformed Egyptian? Does Reformed Egyptian translate into King James?

What You Need To Know

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I would like to thank Ed Decker for his consent to post this Quick Reference Guide on my blog. I have linked his web site "Saints Alive" in the heading. Please click on the heading and spend some time there. It it a very uplifting and informative web. Go to his bookstore and get a copy of this guide for your own library.

Warm Fuzzy Feelings!

The Mormon Test for Truthfulness

Mormons often challenge people to pray with sincerity concerning the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, citing a verse in its closing book:

  • "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost" (Moroni 10:4).

Many sincere seekers fall for this ploy, being ignorant of the warnings set forth by the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible ever direct the believing Christian to take any religious book and pray about the truthfulness of its contents. While we are told to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5), the clear Biblical directive and pattern to follow includes more than this:

  • "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John. 4:1).
  • "If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing" (1 Tim. 6:3-4).
  • "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves" (2 Cor. 13:5).
  • "you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false" (Rev. 2:2).
  • "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good" (1 Thess. 5:21).
  • The Apostle Paul knew the gospel he preached was true because Christ's resurrection was historically verifiable (1 Cor. 15:1-8). Is the Book of Mormon historically verifiable? No.

Why is this the better method? Because not every self-proclained prophet is from God; many present a false gospel:

  • "You are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel... even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" (Gal. 1:6-8).
  • "if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted... (2 Cor. 11:4).
  • "Thus says the LORD of hosts, Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, not from the mouth of the LORD" (Jer. 23:16).

How can we determine if a prophet is speaking from God? First, the prophecy must be 100% accurate. Second, the Bible says to use God's previous revelation through Biblical authors as a standard of comparison, because no new revelation will contradict God's previous words:

  • "If a prophet... arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them [i.e. contradicting the ten commandments],' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet ...but that prophet ... shall be put to death" (Deut 13:1-5).
  • "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has NOT spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously" (Deut 18:22).
  • "If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing" (1 Tim. 6:3-4).
  • Paul commended the Bereans for objectively investigating the things he taught them: "Now these were more noble-minded...for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

Even Mormon leaders advocate investigation:

  • "convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 15-16, 1853).

Therefore, it is NOT BIBLICAL to pray about the Book of Mormon to determine its truthfulness; one must TEST what it has to say. If it contradicts what God has already revealed, it fails. If you have "gained a testimony of the Book of Mormon" by praying Moroni 10:4, then you must seriously question whether or not you have been deceived.

Why should subjective feelings be suspected? Because we are sinful creatures and can be swayed by our emotions and sinful desires:

  • "The heart of man is desperately wicked and cannot be trusted" (Jeremiah 17:9).
  • "There is a way which seems right unto a man, but the end is death" (Proverbs 14:12).

Should you pray whether to commit adultery or steal? Of course not, because the Bible already speaks out against such sins. God has already revealed His will regarding such matters, and no amount of prayer will change that fact. No matter how sincerely you may believe otherwise, to claim that God gave you permission to steal, or commit adultery proves that you did not hear from God (1 Tim 6:3-4; Deut. 13:1-2; Deut. 18:20-22; Jer. 23:16, 30-36; Zech. 13:2-3).

To believe that something is true merely because you feel it to be so or because you are sincere in your belief does not make it true 11. Instead, the Bible warns that feelings can be deceptive and that the sincere truth-seeker must base decisions on more objective means. A standard Mormon response is to resort to the subjective. He insists that he knows the Book of Mormon is true because he has a 'burning in the bosom'. God, he claims, has proved it to him in his heart, so it can't be untrue. He may also claim that to challenge him in this way only makes him stronger in this faith. A "burning in the bosom," no matter how sincere, is no proof of historicity or authority. If evidence goes against the Book of Mormon to prove it false, then to ignore or avoid that evidence is not sincere faith but rather dishonesty and deceitfulness.

The test of Moroni 10:4 is a trick. When you are challenged, you must accept Book of Mormon as true or your integrity is placed under suspicion. If you accept the challenge (even though unbiblical) but conclude that the Book of Mormon is not from God, Mormons will say that you either did not have a sincere heart, real intent, or genuine faith; otherwise the test would have revealed positive results. According to Mormon thinking, it is not possible for their book to be wrong, so you must be wrong.

Mormons may also say that the Book of Mormon is latter-day revelation from God that supercedes the authority of the Bible. This cannot be true because written, inerrant, authoritative revelation ended with Jesus and his apostles:

  • The apostles spoke on God's behalf: "Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the scriptures..." (2 Peter 3:15-16). "You should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord by your apostles" (2 Peter 3:2).
  • But the Apostle Paul warned the Galatian church: "if anyone should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached, let him be accursed" (Gal. 1:8-9).
  • "Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Prov. 30:6).
  • "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it" (Deut. 4:2).
  • "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life" (Rev. 22:18-19).

This is the standard that must be used. If you investigate carefully the differences between Mormon doctrine and orthodox Christian doctrine, and compare Mormon 'scriptures' with the Bible, you will come to the conclusion that the Book of Mormon and Mormonism are not from God.

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More Obedience

Unquestioning Obedience a Virtue

robert-oaks"For us, to 'believe all things' means to believe the doctrine of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ as well as the words of the Latterday prophets. It means to successfully erase our doubts and reservations. It means that in making spiritual commitments, we are prepared to hold nothing back. It means we are ready to consecrate our lives to the work of the kingdom."

"The more we believe, the easier faith-based obedience becomes. Hence the value of 'believing all things.'"

"We are instructed to be like children, who are willing to be taught and then to act without first demanding full knowledge."

"Some members are constantly evaluating the gospel by the standards of the world. They may think, 'That is not how I think the Lord would want it done,' or, 'Based on my understanding of the scriptures, the Church position should have been . . .'"

"Some Church members may have reservations because of a physical appetite they are not quite willing to surrender."

"Other common reservations are flagged by words such as 'yes, but . . .' when scriptures or prophets are quoted. Or we may hear, 'I am not going to let the Church make my decisions for me.'"

"Obedience is a fundamental law of the gospel. It is not only the demonstration of our faith but also the foundation of our faith. But the philosophical standard of the world holds that unquestioning obedience equals blind obedience, and blind obedience is mindless obedience. This is simply not true. Unquestioning obedience to the Lord indicates that a person has developed faith and trust in Him to the point where he or she considers all inspired instruction — whether it be recorded scripture or the words of modern prophets — to be worthy of obedience."

"One day there will be answers to all our questions, and they will be based on divine fairness and love. The Lord will not hold people accountable for factors over which they have no control." "Let us believe all things. Let us have unquestioning faith in all of the doctrines and truths of the restored gospel." "Helps for Family Home Evening: 1. Blindfold one family member. Have a parent guide him or her through a set of obstacles. Compare this activity to the doctrines presented in this article."
- Elder Robert Oaks, "Believe All Things," Ensign, July 2005, page 30


Blind faith, blind faith, blind faith..............Oh, yeah....Yes, Santa Clause, there is blind faith!!!!

The Empire of the Mormons

Click on the title which is linked with a web site that goes into great detail the economic power of the Mormon church. It shows how the Mormons are trying to take over every aspect of business and money. Spirit filled church this Mormon church?, NO!!!!!!! Greed is their god!!!!!

Washington DC Temple-The New Capital?

I remember as a teen the buzz around the house was the fact that the Americas were for the 'Latter-day Saints' and the temple is where the business of the nation will be conducted. Hard core evidence I don't have, but the rumor seems to be quite real. These papers give a great account of how the Mormon authorities plan on ruling this country and eventually the world.
Please click on each page and read the whole article. Very interesting. Long, but good!

Arrogant Pagans!

They Baptized Oral Roberts!!!! They have no right!!!!

If They Came To My Door...

I'd like to thank you for the comment in my last post. The topic of Mormon missionaries coming to your home and knocking on your door is a probability. There are so many young folk out there who are anxiously waiting for the possibility of baptisms under their belt before they go back home. Those baptisms mark the success or failure of the mission.
If they came to my door, however, I would tell them that I am a former Mormon and I don't want anything to do with the Mormon faith.
It is ok to let the Missionaries know that you don't want or need to hear their message. They will not take no for an answer, so they will try a harder sell. The MM's have extensive training in how to sell their message prior to arriving to their mission (wherever that is.) They are so brain washed into selling their product that they will not see through their program. Their hearts and minds are closed to the truth, unless they are willing to be objective enough to try to understand the person whose door they just knocked on, and who they are so desperately trying to win over. They most likely don't want to really listen to you and try to understand. They will hear you out, but that is very superficial. Nothing is really taken to heart, but they will want to know all about you so they can figure out how to win you over. The less you get personal to them the better.
I don't suggest you let them in the door. They will think that most the battle is won at that point. Think of a door-to-door sales man, the MM's strategy is not much different. If you want to debate point-by-point, well, that's pointless. They have set words, expressions, examples, scripture references, and many other ways to get you to want them to tell you more. If they just don't happen to know the answer, they will want to set up a meeting date for another day, just so they can keep coming back. Don't give them the satisfaction!!

Here are a couple of real good tracks that I would hand out to the MM's. I really can't guarantee that they will read them. Most times the MM's will take them from you just to be generous, but then they will just trow them away later. I've seen it done. I was a stake missionary for quite awhile, and they never want to take seriously what the convert prospect has to say that is against anything that the MM's want said. The whole thing is programed from the first second on.


Hello Everyone,

To all those out there reading this blog. I am curious if the information I post on here is helping you see the truth in Mormonism. Also, is there any subject you would like me to cover? I would appreciate a little input from you all!

In Christ,

Born of Virgin Mary

This is very important for everyone to understand. Our Lord and Savior was born of a virgin. Not a virgin wanna be.
Go to Mormon Home Evening's web site. It is very informative.

Newsletter Time


A Plea To All Mormons

Daily Devotional Date: 01/29/08 - 675 days ago.
Category: EVIL

An Evil Tool of Satan Masquerading as a Godly Grandfather is Burning in Hell

(Galatians 1:6-12)

"An evil tool of satan masquerading as a Godly grandfather is buring in hell for all eternity! Gordon B. Hinckley, the leader of the satanic Mormon cult is dead at 97. Hinckley saw this cult grow from 9 million members to over 13 million members worldwide during his 12-year reign as its leader. While Hinckley is already being memorialized as a "great man of God," the fact is his life has been an instrument in the hands of satan to help lead the souls of men to hell by following the false theolgy of the Mormon cult.

Many people, even Christians will rail aginst me for being so unkind, but this only illustrates the problem we have. Even Believers don't take the eternal souls of men serious enough. As I state often, this is a battle for souls. Satan is not playing games and is serious about taking as many souls into the lake of fire with him as he can. I am saddened at how many Christians either don't understand, or don't want to think about the FACT that those who die without Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, will pass from this life into eternal punishment!

I know some people are outraged that I would be "so mean" to call Mormonism a satanic cult. I receive emails all the time talking about the great works they do. First, I have no doubt that most Mormons are fine people, good people, and do great works. But being a good person and doing good works does NOT get you into Heaven. Only faith in Jesus Christ, the Jesus of the Bible, will get you into Heaven. The Mormon cult spends tens of millions of dollars each year in public relations to portray themselves as "just another Christian church."

DO NOT LET THEIR ADS FOOL YOU. They are no more a Christian church than your local mosque is!

The lie of Mormonism that I expose is not a new problem. Paul, himself, had to deal with the issue of "cults"-those who perverted the Gospel-almost from the very beginning. He spoke of it often in his writings, as in today's anchor verses in his letter to the church at Galatia. This is nothing new.

Here are just a few of the theological issues that makes the satanic Mormon cult totally inconsistent with Biblical Christianity and why a Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is. The god of the Mormon cult is NOT the God of the Bible. Their "god" is named Elohim and was once a man like you and I who came from another planet. Mormon theology teaches that men can eventually become a god and have their own planet. When a Mormon talks about "god," he is talking about this fictitious god of Mormonism and NOT the God of the Bible!

This holds true for Jesus. The jesus of Mormon theology is not God incarnate as the Bible teaches. The Mormon jesus was not supernaturally conceived by the Holy Ghost, but the natural offspring of their "god" Elohim who had sex with Mary, meaning he is a created being no different than you and I. Mormons also teach that their jesus had several wives and children, again, in compete contradiction to what the Bible teaches. The jesus of the Mormon cult is also the spirit brother of Lucifer and will return not to the Mt. Of Olives as the Bible teaches, but to Independence, Missouri to set up his earthly Kingdom.

When a Mormon talks about "jesus," he is NOT talking about the true Jesus of the Bible! What Jesus you put your faith in is so critical, since this is why anyone who puts their faith in the imaginary jesus of Joseph Smith and the satanic Mormon cult will die in their sins and their souls burn forever in the flames of hell!

What about the Bible and true Christian churches? Mormons love to use the Bible and quote from the Bible to support their deception that they are Christians. The trademark of all cults and false religions, even those who use the Bible, is that it is NOT their final authority. In the Mormon cult, their authority does not come from the Bible which they view as incomplete and not reliable, but the writings of Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants. These are the writings that form the false theology of this cult.

Mormons believe that non-Mormons are "abominations." While they don't have the guts the Muslims do to publicly call a non-Muslim an infidel who should be put to death, a Mormon views a Biblical Christian as part of a "false religion" and void of all authority.

Like in all cults, the average member hasn't got a clue what their cult really believes. You only get to know everything after you have proven yourself to be a loyal and worthy member of the cult. That is true in the Mormon cult as well. Most Mormons go to their "church," sing many of the same hymns they sing at the Baptist church down the road, give their tithe, read a few passages out of the Bible, hear a message about being a "good person," and go home.

It is only when you get to become a "temple Mormon" that you really learn all of the deep, dark, beliefs of Mormonism. The Mormon temple rituals are actually little more than the temple rituals Smith copied from another cult, Freemasonry! Smith who was involved in the Masonic cult, simply copied and incorporated their chants, handshakes, and ceremonies when he started the Mormon cult. These are the same chants, handshakes, and ceremonies Romney participated in when he took his oath to the Mormon cult above anything else, INCLUDING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND CONSTITUTION!

The average person has no idea that the ultimate goal of the Mormon cult is to establish a theocracy here in the United States. Joseph Smith, the cult's founder actually ran for the Presidency. So did Mitt Romney's father. This cult has the very real goal of establishing the "Kingdom of God," which means advancing the physical and earthly organization of the multi-billion dollar Mormon cult.

There is a special room in the Mormon Temple located in Washington, DC that has been prepared and in place for over 30 years, which will be the seat of power for the Mormon-led government which will supplant our current government. This was the vision Smith laid out less than 200 years ago, and Mitt Romney and those in the hierarchy and leadership of the Mormon cult see this as the time for that vision to become fulfilled!

I love you and care about you so much. Gordon B. Hinckley was NOT a great "man of God," but simply a tool of satan who used his life to lead millions to the false teachigns of the Mormon cult, meaning those poor souls died in their sins and are in hell for all eternity along with all who reject the Jesus of the Bible. He did not become a "god" upon his death as Mormons beleive. He didn't get his own planet full of women waitng to have sex with him. The moment he died, Hinckley stood before God and because he rejected Jesus and died in his sins, was immediately cast into hell for all eternity!

I have done my best in a limited amount of time to give you a brief overview of the false and satanic beliefs of the Mormon cult. I have just barely scratched the surface, but just in what I have shared with you today, NOBODY in their right mind could ever believe that a Mormon is a Christian. When you study Mormon theology and understand the wild beliefs of Smith and this cult, you need faith greater than I will ever hope to have to believe what they do. There is no logic to it and there is absolutely nothing they believe that has any basis in realty or can be proven.

Listen, God gave us free will, and men who live in rebellion to God since the very beginning have dreamed up the wildest and most ridiculous relgions, and sadly people who were spiritually void chose to believe their lies and will be lost for all eternity because of it. The danger of Mormonism is that they are deceptive (just look at their name, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) and will lie without conscience just like the father of lies, satan (John 8:44), to get people to join their cult.

I pray today for those 13 million souls alive today who are following the lies of this cult, to turn from those lies before they take their last breath and are lost for all eternity. There is only one Truth, and that is found in the book God wrote, the Bible. There is only one way to be saved, and that is through a personal relationship by faith with the Jesus of the Bible. May those lost in the lies of the Mormon cult denounce those lies and turn to God's Word alone and faith in Jesus and be saved so they don't end up buring in hell like Gordon B. Hinckley!!!"

Please go to the web site where I got this from, Live Prayer dot com. A wonderful site for global pray on many subjects. God Bless that ministry.

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I spent a lot of time deciding if I should write this blog or not. I'm not a great writer and I'm not going to pretend to be. I need to share what I have learned and I might not make some people happy with what I am saying. This blog is a way for me to release the thoughts and feelings that come with knowing I grew up in the wrong religion. A healing process if you will.

How To Read This Blog

Please start with the month of February 2007 and read backwards. This is the most effective way to understand, in order, why I say what I do.

Handmaidens Creed

1.I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as one God without beginning or end.
2.I believe the Bible to be the Holy Inspired word of God with full truth and righteousness. No other writing is.
3.I believe that the work of the Lord comes first. Before any temporal thing or person.
4.I believe that grace is a gift and Christ gives that gift freely to all who believe.
5.I believe that the beauty of a woman is contained inside of her and not by what she looks like on the outside.
6.I believe that marriage is sacred and represents the Godhead on earth; two are one just as three are one.
7.I believe that love is more powerful than any other power. Remember, God is love.
8.I believe that tithing is not a part of God's new covenant, free will offerings are. And that doesn't mean just money.
9.I believe that the Aaronic, Levitical, and Melchizedek priesthoods are abolished and Christs Holy Priesthood whom Christ is the "Great High Priest" is eternal.
10.I believe that every believer is a priest in the "Priesthood of Believers".
11.I believe that when two are one, nobody is to separate the one.
12.I believe that Christ is the only way to heaven.
13.I believe that our bodies are temples, not man made buildings.
14.I believe that liars make fools out of others and the liar hates the fool.
15.I believe that all believers are in authority to preach the gospel.
16.I believe that the word 'organization' to describe Christs body is evil and has no place with God.
17.I believe the Americas are not the land of Zion and Christ will return to His origonal land-Israel in the Middle East.
18.I believe that God has set out correct ways of worshiping Him, not man.
19.I believe in holding to the truths of the Bible and not mans understanding of it.
20.I believe that the world is full of evil and Satan can easily gain control over the minds of those who do not profess Christ of the Bible to be their only Messiah.
21.I believe that Saints are those who know the real Savior, Jesus Christ, of whom the Bible speaks of; not the jesus of a cult.