Saints Alive Special Report-Emergent Mormonism

Special Report March 2011

Ed Decker

Saints Alive In Jesus

P.O. Box 1347

Issaquah WA 98027

A Note from Ed

Dear Friends, It is hard to believe that we have mailed many hundreds of issues of our newsletters and other material to well over a quarter of a million specific addresses. The thing that surprised me is the large number of you who have been with us for several decades, at least, if not three decades. When I call you our "faithful Friends", I really mean it.

We have also had several million people visit our website and they have downloaded around a million pages of information from close to 100 countries. Massive impact!

This e-Newsletter has already reached hundreds of thousands of people since we began it over 5 years ago.

I started this ministry in January of 1977, 34 years ago and during those 34 years, we have always been the edge of pushing past our resources and that is as true this month as it was 25 years ago.

My vision, burden, calling, or my zeal for this ministry has been the daily core of my life since I asked for my excommunication trial in 1976. The only thing on earth that has had precedent over it has been the Lord and my family. Today, Carol, Jason, Josh and Joscelyn work with me to keep up with the many demands.

Since we began, ever expanding computer technology, the internet and all the social networking systems have increased our world-wide outreach by many thousands-fold.

In the old days, I would travel for weeks, speaking at churches every night, travelling every day and perhaps reach ten thousand people on a trip.

Today, I can write an article, post it on our website and 4 or 5 other sites like Facebook, and tens of thousands of people see it in an hour. .

Back when I did live radio and TV and sent out audio program tapes to each station each week I was reaching thousands. Now, many of the national programs I guest on today reach hundreds of cities and millions of listeners. I will also begin doing a web-radio program as soon as I can figure out the mechanics of it.

For those of you who have been with us for so long, thank you for sticking with us over these years. You have no idea how blessed we feel.

And as always, I implore you to keep supporting us with your prayers and your gifts. One PayPal gift from each of you for $10 or $20 would put this work in the solid black for many months to come. Please pray about standing with us. Your brother in Christ, Ed Decker

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The Emergent Mormon Church

Ed Decker

I have been quietly spending a great deal of time lately on 'unofficial' Mormon websites, forums and blog sites, and communicating with so many Mormons, [under a pseudonym, obviously].

I didn't do this to argue or debate. I wanted to listen, to feel the pulse of regular Mormon people.

What I have found is an astonishing discovery of something I have already suspected for some time.

The LDS Brethren have been trying to align themselves with general Christianity for the last decade or so. It was never clearer than when Mitt Romney ran for President.

It rose up to a crashing crescendo when Glenn Beck gathered up groups of Christian leaders and put on his "We are All One' party at the Lincoln Memorial on the National Mall.

Mormonism can never align itself with Orthodox, biblically based Christianity for many reasons, yet the Mormon people want to be known as true Christians.

What these Mormons are saying on their forums, blogs and FB pages is that most of them generally pick and choose what they want to be the focus of their 'religious' experience in the Church.

They just junk the parts that make them feel uncomfortable. Sort of what American Catholics and ala-carte' Christians have been doing for years?

Now, this is true across the general population within the LDS church. It isn't a segment of the members; it is widespread among them.

On the part of the leadership, we see another anomaly. Rarely, if ever, are the deviant doctrines preached from the pulpits anymore.

The preaching is a feel good set of messages meant to make the members and their families happy to be there and smiling when they leave.

We talk to recent converts about some of these strange doctrines and they look at us like we are crazy. They haven't been taught about their Mother in Heaven, or the black skin curse, or Jesus and Lucifer being brothers, as examples.

The LDS Church leadership has recently made great strides in cuddling up to the Christian body, but it isn't where you would think, understanding the conservative DNA of Mormonism.

They are copying and using the same methods and techniques as the Seeker Friendly and Emergent Church groups and finding that they have strong compatibilities.

They also see that the leaders of these groups accept them at smiley face value and would never think to challenge them doctrinally. A Tinker Bell and Peter Pan relationship.

A Mormon could go to any one of such a church type and be openly welcomed, accepted as a Mormon 'believer' and be extremely comfortable... while never challenged spiritually. And leave church feeling really good.

Except for the weekly Wonder Bread and Water Sacrament, the Mormon can feel right at any Seeker Friendly or Emergent church gathering.

One recent forum thread was about which non-LDS churches they felt comfortable attending.

This is what one of our Board members, Eric Barger has to say about the Emergent Church. Look at the Emergent Mormonism parallels here: The Errors of the Emergent Church

I know many Emergent sympathizers would object and say that I am generalizing. However, that simply is not the case. Even without much space to elaborate in this article, and even as difficult as "Emergent Speak" can be to decipher, once one boils it down, just a partial outline of Emergent philosophies indicates glaring flaws.

To Emergents, Christianity is:

* Experience over Reason
* Images over Words

* Spirituality over Doctrine

* Subjective Feelings over Absolute Truth

* Earthly Justice over Salvation

* Social Action over Eternity

Mormons are 100% in line with the first four characteristics and with a little tweaking, can accept the last two, as well. They also have their own Mormon-Speak vocabulary.

When then President Gordon B. Hinckley was interviewed by Larry King in 2004, he was asked what happens when a person dies.

Here he had the opportunity to speak as a true prophet and declare the judgment and the three degrees of Glory. Instead, God's mouthpiece for the earth just didn't know.

KING: What happens when you die?

HINCKLEY: When you die? Well, I'm not fully conversant with that. I haven't passed through that yet.

Sort of reminded me of a recent interview on the Piers Morgan Tonight program that replaced Larry King Live. I do like the more direct approach to issues that Piers has, compared to the King approach.

Piers was interviewing Joel Osteen, Pastor of one of the largest Seeker Friendly Churches in America. Piers worked hard to get him to reluctantly admit that homosexuality was a sin, according to the Bible, but could not get him to define what makes a person saved and going to heaven. Pastor Osteen did not know or would not say who was going to heaven and how to get there.

Millions of people were watching and the pastor of tens of thousands of Christian church members could not give the basic elements of Salvation, lest someone be offended. This is the kind of Christianity the Mormon leaders are becoming kissing cousins to, and it will get far worse as time goes on and no one speaks out about it.

One LDS Blogger wrote that the church was suffering from a case of spiritual schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder.

The Dictionary definitions of these two are,

First schizophrenia: Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances

And Second, multiple personality disorder: A situation, state of mind, in which widely conflicting opinions, ideas, or practices coexist, often resulting in indecision, vacillation, wavering, etc.

While one can smile and see the sad truth in what the blogger wrote, The Emergent and Seeker Friendly Churches suffer the same maladies and they are the Christianity the Mormons are now seeking fellowship with and getting results.

Watch and be warned. The LDS Church will soon become another branch of shattered Christianity.

Ed Decker

Saints alive in Jesus

P.O. Box 1347

Issaquah WA 98028


Anonymous March 3, 2011 at 9:55 AM  

Great post. I am ashamed to say that I thought, "Saints Alive" was no longer around. I am happy to see they are still active..
"Watch and be warned. The LDS Church will soon become another branch of shattered Christianity"....Not sure I agree with that. It would be like the Hell's Angels motorcycle gang doing service projects around the community. At the end of the day, they are still Hell's Angels and their past defines them..

Anonymous March 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM  

Good stuff. I don't know why, but the title made me giggle. I thought of it like "Saints alive! Emergency mormons!" haha.

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2.I believe the Bible to be the Holy Inspired word of God with full truth and righteousness. No other writing is.
3.I believe that the work of the Lord comes first. Before any temporal thing or person.
4.I believe that grace is a gift and Christ gives that gift freely to all who believe.
5.I believe that the beauty of a woman is contained inside of her and not by what she looks like on the outside.
6.I believe that marriage is sacred and represents the Godhead on earth; two are one just as three are one.
7.I believe that love is more powerful than any other power. Remember, God is love.
8.I believe that tithing is not a part of God's new covenant, free will offerings are. And that doesn't mean just money.
9.I believe that the Aaronic, Levitical, and Melchizedek priesthoods are abolished and Christs Holy Priesthood whom Christ is the "Great High Priest" is eternal.
10.I believe that every believer is a priest in the "Priesthood of Believers".
11.I believe that when two are one, nobody is to separate the one.
12.I believe that Christ is the only way to heaven.
13.I believe that our bodies are temples, not man made buildings.
14.I believe that liars make fools out of others and the liar hates the fool.
15.I believe that all believers are in authority to preach the gospel.
16.I believe that the word 'organization' to describe Christs body is evil and has no place with God.
17.I believe the Americas are not the land of Zion and Christ will return to His origonal land-Israel in the Middle East.
18.I believe that God has set out correct ways of worshiping Him, not man.
19.I believe in holding to the truths of the Bible and not mans understanding of it.
20.I believe that the world is full of evil and Satan can easily gain control over the minds of those who do not profess Christ of the Bible to be their only Messiah.
21.I believe that Saints are those who know the real Savior, Jesus Christ, of whom the Bible speaks of; not the jesus of a cult.